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R54605, Payer, Philippe Cpl. enlisted: October 10,1939.

With information on the back.

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Corporal Payer is the man on the right. According to the caption we are in 1941.

St-Hubert P. Que

Été 1941

Moi et mes hommes ce que l’on appelle un Crew

L’avion est un Tiger Shark

spit Fire

I am sure we are at the St-Hubert airbase in 1941, but this is not a Spitfire on this photo. It’s an American P-40 Kittyhawk bearing the code VW.

There were few P-40 Kittyhawk in Canada.

Very rare photos on the Internet. These are from the personal collection of Leonard Weston who would have served in Alaska!

His son had shared them so everyone could see them on the Internet.

What golden opportunity then to share this incredible photo taken in June 1941 at St-Hubert.

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R54605, Payer, Philippe Cpl. enlisted: October 10,1939

No 13 SFTS St-Hubert

No. 13 SFTS St. Hubert

Footnote

Comment left by a knowledgeable reader

Hi Pierre

They are indeed Curtiss P-40 Kittyhawks. The VW indicates 118 Squadron.  The photo with the Kitty in the glassed hanger was probably taken in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia where 118 was stationed before it went to Western Air Command in June, 1942.  (Although it could be Rockcliffe where they formed).  It is unusual to see the shark teeth nose on a 118 aircraft, a design they discontinued out west (14 Squadron was also using that design out west when they got there in March, 1942.

The other photos, also Kittyhawks (all Mark 1s), were taken, most likely on Annette Island, Alaska where 118 was stationed until they went overseas to become 438 Squadron flying Typhoons. The photographs were all taken before October 31, 1942 when the order went out to remove the squadron identification letters on all RCAF aircraft.

There must be hundreds of shots like these slumbering in shoeboxes in attics all over Canada. I wish there was a way to get them out.

Best regards

Bill Eull

www.RCAF111fSquadron.com

 

Now this is the other footnote…

Hi

Yeah… what about those teeth?

Maybe one of your readers will come up with an interesting theory or fact.

An interesting sidebar: the USAAF Flying Tigers unit in Burma was run by Gen Clare Lee Chennault. It was his son, Maj. Jack Chennault that commanded USAAF 11th Squadron in the Aleutians and incorporated the Canadian units into the effort. In Burma they used the shark teeth design but in the Aleutians, 11 Squadron used a Tiger mouth (it wasn’t nearly as dramatic) But it was the RCAF 14 Squadron that used the sharks teeth in Alaska and the Aleutians.

They were all P-40 Es (Mk1) although in 111 Squadron ’s diary they were frequently, in 1941, called P40 Ds. I don’t know why.

AL 785 flown into St. Hubert and I think across the country. (Quite a thing, that!) by F/O Grant

AK 857 P/O Johnstone

AK 803 P/O Handley

AL 226 Sgt O’Brien

AL 220 W/O2 Dickson Dickson en route crash-landed near Sudbury

AK 779 P/O Banting I think Banting crash-landed near Sudbury at the same time. These seem to have been the only accidents. Neither pilot was hurt; both were flying in their regular shifts at Annette in the coming days. But I don’t see either a/c on strength again.

AK 845 P/O Studholme

AL 152 Sgt Manzer

AK 797 P/O Baxter

AL 210 P/O Wilson

AK 815 P/O Ivans

AL 224 Sgt Brooker

The others went on to Montreal.

Here is the cross country route flown by these tight little one-man a/c:

Dartmouth to Penfield Ridge (June 6)

Penfield Ridge to Montreal “

Also Penfield Ridge to St. Hubert June 6

St. Hubert to North Bay June 7

North Bay to Purquois June 8

Purquois to Armstrong “

Armstrong to Winnipeg “

Winnipeg to Regina June 8 or 9

Regina to Lethbridge June 9

Lethbridge to Edmonton June 10 They hung out in Edmonton A&E tests etc. They did no flying in Edmonton from June 13 -20

Edmonton to Prince George June 21

Prince George  to Annette Island “

Very impressive achievement!

Bill

www.RCAF111fSquadron.com

 

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R54605, Payer, Philippe Cpl. enlisted: October 10,1939.

With information on the back.

photo verso

Corporal Payer is the man on the right. According to the caption we are in 1941.

St-Hubert P. Que

Été 1941

Moi et mes hommes ce que l’on appelle un Crew

L’avion est un Tiger Shark

spit Fire

I am sure we are at the St-Hubert airbase in 1941, but this is not a Spitfire on this photo. It’s an American P-40 Kittyhawk bearing the code VW.

There were few P-40 Kittyhawk in Canada.

Very rares photos on the Internet. These are from the personal collection of Leonard  Weston who would have served in Alaska!

His son had shared them so everyone could see them on the Internet.

What golden opportunity then to share this incredible photo taken in June 1941 at St-Hubert.

photo mod

R54605, Payer, Philippe Cpl. enlisted: October 10,1939

No 13 SFTS St-Hubert

No. 13 SFTS St. Hubert

Footnote

Comment left by a knowledgeable reader

Hi Pierre

They are indeed Curtiss P-40 Kittyhawks. The VW indicates 118 Squadron.  The photo with the Kitty in the glassed hanger was probably taken in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia where 118 was stationed before it went to Western Air Command in June, 1942.  (Although it could be Rockcliffe where they formed).  It is unusual to see the shark teeth nose on a 118 aircraft, a design they discontinued out west (14 Squadron was also using that design out west when they got there in March, 1942.

The other photos, also Kittyhawks (all Mark 1s), were taken, most likely on Annette Island, Alaska where 118 was stationed until they went overseas to become 438 Squadron flying Typhoons. The photographs were all taken before October 31, 1942 when the order went out to remove the squadron identification letters on all RCAF aircraft.

There must be hundreds of shots like these slumbering in shoeboxes in attics all over Canada. I wish there was a way to get them out.

Best regards

Bill Eull

www.RCAF111fSquadron.com

Oups!

Cam Harrod posted this on the Facebook page of British Commonwealth Air Training Plan in Canada.

 

75

With this comment…

It seems that Vintage Wings of Canada is trying to rewrite history here with this new logo.
The 75th anniversary of the BCATP was in 2014 NOT 2016.
Contacted both the CEO and the F/Book page and it seems even though they acknowledge that the BCATP was formed in 1939, that they are not interested in correcting the mistake.
I always thought that their mandate was to educate and inspire our future generations. If so , they would be obligated to do this with accuracy
It’s very disappointing when an organization like theirs would care so little about getting things correct.

To this I added this comment…

Admitting you made an error says a lot about you… No admitting tells even more. This reminds me of the 1812 celebration done in 2012 about the War of 1812. Pure politics! Thanks for getting this viral.