Paulson, Manitoba – 12 July 1942

Updated 27 April 2022 with this comment…

Calvin Warren Dahl died April 2, 1943; his death date is incorrectly noted as August 2, 1943.


This is what I wrote last year when Che Lafoy shared what he had.


Original post

From the collection of Lloyd Stanley Lafoy who was a rear gunner with 425, 429 and 426 Squadrons.

This photo part of his collection was taken at No. 7 Bombing and Gunnery School in Paulson, Manitoba.

Lloyd Stanley Lafoy survived the war, and his grandson shared that photo with all the names written on the back.

(1) Bartlett, J.L.A.

(2) Godin, J.J.R.T.

(3) Campbell, D.E.

(4) Procter, C. H.

(5) Arnold, W. H.

(6) Lanegraff, W. E.

(7) Melancon, J. H. J. 

(8) Pearce, G. S.

(9) Taylor, G. A.

(10) Annis, L. D.

(11) McDonald, G. M.

(12) Thompson, L. H.

Centre row

(1) Madof, W. D.

(2) McLeod, R. K.

(3) Dahl, C. W.

(4) Kelly, J. F.

(5) Patten, G. W.

(6) Leone, N.

(7) Castling, D. H.

(8) Johnson, E. W.

(9) Lake, J. W.

(10) Labow, J. I.

Front row

(1) Niven, C. M.

(2) Lafoy, L. S.

(3) Bush, R. H.

(4) Balfour, A. G.

(5) Duncan, D. W.

(6) Lambert, K. A,

(7) Walsh, W. D.

(8) Payne, T. A.

(9) McHay, J. A.

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How many have survived?

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R. K. McLeod did not survive.

RK McLeod

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Grave marker – Schoonselhof Cemetery – photo courtesy of Marg Liessens

Sometimes…

I regret to inform you that my uncle Roy K. McLeod was killed in action on the night of May 11-12, 1944. He was listed as MIA for a very long period of time, and final confirmation of his burial place did not occur until 1948, which may explain the discrepancy in your information. Thanks for creating this wonderful website, it helps with my research into his life. I can provide a copy of his logbook upon request.
The Belgians had a wonderful memorial for his crew, including a visit by the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Lancaster.

Sometimes this is all I need to go back in time.

To be continued…

No. 7 B&G Paulson, Manitoba – Air gunner course 35B

This is the whole page in the album with the group picture.

We now know thanks to Greg who had died and who had survived.

Lucky Red wrote the course number and when he was remustered from ground crew trade to air gunner in June 1942.

The photo was taken in July and Lucky Red would earn his air gunner wings on September 25, 1942. I am sure he went overseas with most of the new air gunners since so many had been killed over Festung Europa and there was a dire need for them.

Each of Lloyd Stanley Lafoy’s photo tells a story, but there is a story Lucky Red wanted to tell before he died.

That story will be told later because it is so incredible. So incredible in fact that some people will not believe what Lucky Red wanted to recount about how lucky he had been to have survived the war.

Paulson, Manitoba – 12 July 1942 – How many survived?

Updated 27 April 2022 with this comment…

Calvin Warren Dahl died April 2, 1943; his death date is incorrectly noted as August 2, 1943.


Greg Sigurdson on a Facebook group page dedicated to the BCATP had the answer.

 

Based on official RCAF records, I have determined the following regarding the airmen in this class at No. 7 Bombing & Gunnery School.

Fourteen of the 32 airmen in the class photo survived the war. Three of the airmen were killed while training at No. 7 BGS. Fifteen airmen were killed while serving in Bomber Command for the RCAF. It is possible that some of the 14 survivors were not RCAF and may have been killed in action. The survivors were:

Bartlett J.L.A., Procter C.H., Melancon J.H.J., Pearce G.S., Madof W.D., McLeod R.K., Kelly J.F., Patten G.W., Castling D.H., Johnson E.W. Lafoy L.S., Bush, R.H., Payne, T.A and McHay, J.A.

The casualties (and date of death) were: Joseph Jean Robert Theobald Godin – January 6 1944, Duncan Eric Campbell – January 12 1943, William Henry Arnold – September 24 1943, William Ernest Lanegraff – November 27 1942 (at No. 7 BGS), Glenford Herbert Taylor – August 19 1944, Lloyd Dyer Annis – January 14 1944, George McDonald – August 24 1943, Lyle Harold Thompson – August 18 1943, Calvin Warren Dahl – April 2 1943, Nuncie Leone – January 14 1944, John William Lake – June 12 1943, John Irvin Labow – March 31 1944, Charles Morrison Niven – September 4 1943, Andrew Gerge Balfour – November 1 1944, Donald Watt Duncan – September 2 1943 (at No. 7 BGS), Kenneth Albert Lambert – September 2 1942 (at No. 7 BGS), William Duncan Walsh – June 22 1943, Joseph Thomas Harrigan – October 3 1943.

Bomber Command aircrews suffered a high casualty. Of a total of 125,000 aircrew, 57,205 were killed (a 46 percent death rate), a further 8,403 were wounded in action and 9,838 became prisoners of war. The only group of combatants during World War II with a higher casualty rate were the German U-Boat crews which suffered a 75% casualty rate. The casualty rate for all participants in the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan was less than one percent.

 

How many died?

(1) Bartlett, J.L.A. (2) Godin, J.J.R.T. (3) Campbell, D.E. (4) Procter, C. H. (5) Arnold, W. H. (6) Lanegraff, W. E. (7) Melancon, J. H. J. (8) Pearce, G. S. (9) Taylor, G. A. (10) Annis, L. D. (11) McDonald, G. M. (12) Thompson, L. H.

Centre row (1) Madof, W. D. (2) McLeod, R. K. (3) Dahl, C. W. (4) Kelly, J. F. (5) Patten, G. W. (6) Leone, N. (7) Castling, D. H. (8) Johnson, E. W. (9) Lake, J. W. (10) Labow, J. I.

Front row (1) Niven, C. M. (2) Lafoy, L. S. (3) Bush, R. H. (4) Balfour, A. . (5) Duncan, D. W. (6) Lambert, K. A, (7) Walsh, W. D. (8) Payne, T. A. (9) McHay, J. A., Carrigan (sic) Joseph Thomas Harrigan 

Greg Sigurdson had remembered those who died…

 

Paulson, Manitoba – 12 July 1942 – How many survived?

Updated 27 April 2022 with this comment…

Calvin Warren Dahl died April 2, 1943; his death date is incorrectly noted as August 2, 1943.


It’s easy to get lost when you start searching for information on how to put a date on photos.

This one was easy.

Lloyd Stanley Lafoy is the second on the left in the first row.

 

Lloyd Stanley Lafoy survived the war, but he did not know that when he wrote 32 names who later trained as air gunners at No. 7 Bombing and Gunnery School in Paulson, Manitoba.

How many survived?

There was one name on the list that I already knew had not survived the war… 

(1) Bartlett, J.L.A. (2) Godin, J.J.R.T. (3) Campbell, D.E. (4) Procter, C. H. (5) Arnold, W. H. (6) Lanegraff, W. E. (7) Melancon, J. H. J. (8) Pearce, G. S. (9) Taylor, G. A. (10) Annis, L. D. (11) McDonald, G. M. (12) Thompson, L. H.

Centre row (1) Madof, W. D. (2) McLeod, R. K. (3) Dahl, C. W. (4) Kelly, J. F. (5) Patten, G. W. (6) Leone, N. (7) Castling, D. H. (8) Johnson, E. W. (9) Lake, J. W. (10) Labow, J. I.

Front row (1) Niven, C. M. (2) Lafoy, L. S. (3) Bush, R. H. (4) Balfour, A. . (5) Duncan, D. W. (6) Lambert, K. A, (7) Walsh, W. D. (8) Payne, T. A. (9) McHay, J. A., Carrigan


This is Nuncie Leone.

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This photo was in Jacques Morin’s scrapbook when I met him in 2011. I thought it was Jacques “Coco” Morin pictured in the rear turret of a Lancaster.

“Coco” was a rear gunner with 425 Alouette Squadron and I never thought of asking him if he was on that photo.

One year later I realised it was not him when I learned what had happened to Nuncie.


Nuncie Leone is well-remembered on the Internet.

Nuncie Leone was born on 25th March 1918 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada and was the son of Adam and Madelene (nee Bonifarzi) Leone. He enlisted for RCAF service in Toronto on 31st October 1939 for ground duties and he initially served as a member of the RCAF Service Police and in guard duties. He re-mustered as aircrew in early 1942 and after basic training in Canada he was awarded his Air Gunner’s badge on 26th September 1942. With that part of his training complete he left for service overseas a few weeks later and on arrival in the UK he trained at 22 OTU on 2nd February 1943 and then to 429 Squadron on 19th April 1943. 429 Squadron began converting to four-engined aircraft in August 1943 and he was posted to 1659 HCU for this conversion training. He was then posted to 405 Squadron on 30th August 1943.

On 3rd July 1943 this 429 Squadron aircraft was undertaking a mine laying operational flight to lay mines around Brest harbour. The pilot later gave a newspaper interview in which he stated this flight was to have been a routine one but they were coned by eight searchlights when they were flying at only 1,000 feet as they prepared to release their mines. Flak guns opened up on the Wellington but the pilot avoided being hit and they returned to base. On landing at East Moor at 02.45hrs the starboard main tyre burst resulting in the undercarriage collapsing and the aircraft coming to rest on its belly with damage to the engines and propellers.

Source

RUHR EXPRESS CREW VETERANS OF AERIAL WAR
Skilled Men Flew First Canadian-Built Lancaster
With the R.C.A.F. Somewhere in England, 9 Dec. 1943 —(CP)—A wealth of flying experience, born of extensive training in Canada and brought to maturity in battle, was behind the crew entrusted with the first operational flight to Berlin of the “Ruhr Express,” first Canadian-built Lancaster bomber.
The “Express” roared non-stop to the shattered and smoking Nazi capital on the night of November 26, foreshadowing the possible advent of the time when a whole fleet of Canadian-built heavy bombers might be in the air over Germany.
This is the crew:
Pilot: P/O Harold Arthur Floren, 21, of Weyburn, Sask., who had 17 operational trips in his log book before this Berlin attack. He joined the R.C.A.F. direct from school.
Bombardier: F/O William Astbury, 20, of Portage la Prairie, 16 trips. He used to work in his father’s machine shop.
Navigator: F/L William Thatcher, 28, of Hamilton, Ont., 19 trips. Thatcher was an inspector for the British Supply Board before going to war.
Wireless operator: F/O Jerry Souaillard, 21, of Montreal, 28 trips. He, too, left school for the air force.
Flight engineer: Sgt. Elwood Houlding, 21, of Saskatoon, seven, trips. He joined the R.C.A.F. from school as a fitter and remustered to aircrew after crossing to Britain.
Rear-gunner: F/Sgt. Nick Leone, 25, of Toronto, 17 trips. He, like Houlding, became air crew after joining the air force for ground work.
Mid-upper gunner: F/Sgt. Lloyd Annis, 20, of Barrie, Ont., 10 trips. He left the farm for the air.
Floren, Astbury and Leone have always been part of the same crew and made 10 sorties with an R.C.A.F. Wellington bomber squadron before joining the famed “Pathfinders,” from whom the entire crew for the “Express” was picked.
“It’s not always the tough targets of the Ruhr that provide the excitement,” said Floren. “Nor is it always the bombing raids. What we thought would be a quiet trip to Brest harbour, mine-laying, gave us plenty to think about.”
They were coned by eight searchlights when only 1,000 feet in the air and the flak guns tore open the sky around them. Floren got the ship home and landed without mishap despite the bursting of one tire.
They described the Berlin trip in the “Express” as a “successful sortie,” the language of brave men inured to the danger in the night skies over Germany.


Nuncie “Nick” Leone (R/53024)
Son of Adam and Madeline Leone, of Toronto, Ontario. Enlisted as ground crew then remustered to aircrew. The 1st operational tail gunner of the Ruhr Express (KB700), the 1st Canadian Built Lancaster to enter service in WW2. It was initially assigned to 405 Squadron where Nick Flew two sorties with KB700 but then it was sent to 419 Sq. Unfortunately, KB700 was lost after its 49th Sortie, it was to have been flown back to Canada, after its 50th
sortie, for public display. Leone & his crew were killed, 17 January 1944 in
Lancaster JA974 while on a Mission to Brunswick. He is buried at the Hanover War Cemetery, grave 5 C 10.

Source

This is a colorised photo I did of P/O Harold Arthur Floren, Nuncie’s pilot.

Floren

P/O Harold Arthur Floren

P/O Harold Arthur Floren did not survive the war also.

Which brings me to how I made contact with Lucky Red’s grandson on Facebook last week and got more than 100 photos.

This is my Grandfather, Lloyd “Lucky Red” Stanley Lafoy, he was a member of the 425 Alouette and later the Thunderbird Squadrons. He was a tail gunner. He passed away last year but left me many photos which I will upload once I have scanned them all. He survived 35 missions, which is how he earned his nickname, crashing once in England upon return from a mission over Germany. He wrote the story down before passing but it needs some editing. It is quite a tale.
He wore a scarf every mission as well given to him by an English lass who he found living in Florida via Facebook when he was 95. His pilot wouldn’t take off unless he had the scarf, sending him back to the barracks once to get it. The third photo I found through Pierre Lagacé
years ago of him shaking hands with the Prime Minister before their mission. We showed him this photo several years ago which he got quite a kick out of. Needless to say he didn’t talk a lot about the war until he got older but he had a sister and 3 brothers who all served in various ways.

Footnote

Here are some of Lucky Red’s photos that I am almost sure were taken at Paulson, Manitoba.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Paulson, Manitoba – 12 July 1942

From the collection of Lloyd Stanley Lafoy who was a rear gunner with 425, 429 and 426 Squadrons. This photo part of his collection was taken at No. 7 Bombing and Gunnery School in Paulson, Manitoba.

Lloyd Stanley Lafoy survived the war, and his grandson shared that photo with all the names written on the back.

(1) Bartlett, J.L.A.

(2) Godin, J.J.R.T.

(3) Campbell, D.E.

(4) Procter, C. H.

(5) Arnold, W. H.

(6) Lanegraff, W. E.

(7) Melancon, J. H. J. 

(8) Pearce, G. S.

(9) Taylor, G. A.

(10) Annis, L. D.

(11) McDonald, G. M.

(12) Thompson, L. H.

Centre row

(1) Madof, W. D.

(2) McLeod, R. K.

(3) Dahl, C. W.

(4) Kelly, J. F.

(5) Patten, G. W.

(6) Leone, N.

(7) Castling, D. H.

(8) Johnson, E. W.

(9) Lake, J. W.

(10) Labow, J. I.

Front row

(1) Niven, C. M.

(2) Lafoy, L. S.

(3) Bush, R. H.

(4) Balfour, A. G.

(5) Duncan, D. W.

(6) Lambert, K. A,

(7) Walsh, W. D.

(8) Payne, T. A.

(9) McHay, J. A.

Carrigan

How many have survived?

November 9, 1941 – Paulson, Manitoba – More Update

This blog is all about remembering and sharing stories about the BCATP.

There is one more update to this tragedy that occurred at Paulson.

My father Sgt.Lloyd Brown was the pilot of this Fairey Battle We were out at Paulson Mb. in 1986 to see his old base and to talk a walk. When we were walking along the taxi way this was the first time he ever talked about this accident This incident really had a bad effect on my father as he felt it was his fault as he couldn’t see Mr. Heal After this my Father never mentioned this accident ever again I only wish I could of found this accident report before his passing for him to see it was not his fault.

There was another previous comment made about this post:

This is somewhat unsettling to me and very strange. My father, David L. « Bud » Quinn, who was a Flight Lieutenant at the time of the death of LAC Heal, may have witnessed this accident. He was the Armament Officer in Charge of Gunnery at No. 7 B&GS at Paulson from June 1941 until the end of July 1942.

He described to me once seeing one of his armourers turning without looking and walking into the rotating prop of an aircraft. He called out to him, but not in time. The description of the accident in the medical examiner’s official report above is consistent with how my father described it, namely « partial decapitation & decerebration ». He said that at the time it shook him to the core. Decades later he could still not get the memory out of his head.

May they all now rest in peace! Lest we forget.

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Remembering LAC Kenneth Edgar Heal…

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November 9, 1941 – Paulson, Manitoba – Update

A comment made about this post:

This is somewhat unsettling to me and very strange. My father, David L. « Bud » Quinn, who was a Flight Lieutenant at the time of the death of LAC Heal, may have witnessed this accident. He was the Armament Officer in Charge of Gunnery at No. 7 B&GS at Paulson from June 1941 until the end of July 1942.

He described to me once seeing one of his armourers turning without looking and walking into the rotating prop of an aircraft. He called out to him, but not in time. The description of the accident in the medical examiner’s official report above is consistent with how my father described it, namely « partial decapitation & decerebration ». He said that at the time it shook him to the core. Decades later he could still not get the memory out of his head.

May they all now rest in peace! Lest we forget.

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Remembering LAC Kenneth Edgar Heal…

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